DEVELOPERS FORUM - Upgrading from Innovator 10 to 11 without subscription

Jeroen Bosch - Friday, January 23, 2015 6:23 AM:

Hello everybody,

Jeroen Bosch - Tuesday, January 27, 2015 7:55 AM:

is it such a difficult question to answer?

zahar - Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:16 AM:

Jeroen,

Your question is mostly business than a technical question. 
Generally as non subscriber you have 3 options:

1. Become an Aras subscriber
2. Order an upgrade project
3. Export and import your implementation from 10 to 11 manually

Jeroen Bosch - Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:39 PM:

Jeroen,

Your question is mostly business than a technical question. 
Generally as non subscriber you have 3 options:

1. Become an Aras subscriber
2. Order an upgrade project
3. Export and import your implementation from 10 to 11 manually

Thanks Zahar.

I agree that the first two options are business but the third one is technical so relevant for this forum.

Any hint how to do this and any idea if 10 & 11 configurations are compatible?

Jeroen

zahar - Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:54 PM:

Jeroen,

I don't think i have easy step-by-step instructions, you need to understand Aras DB before starting with this project or use services of others who has this knowledge. 

When we upgrade our own demo databases between different versions:

• we analyze itemtypes that we are using and make needed changes in destination database
• after that we create packages for our own customization and import it to destination database
• after that we export all the data and import it to destination database

Jeroen Bosch - Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:46 AM:

Jeroen,

I don't think i have easy step-by-step instructions, you need to understand Aras DB before starting with this project or use services of others who has this knowledge. 

When we upgrade our own demo databases between different versions:

• we analyze itemtypes that we are using and make needed changes in destination database
• after that we create packages for our own customization and import it to destination database
• after that we export all the data and import it to destination database

Zahar,

When you say:

• "we analyze itemtypes that we are using and make needed changes in destination database"

does it mean that you might have changed the "out of the box" Innovator's item types?

If you are confident that you didn't change them, could you safely skip your first step of migration?

Thanks again

Jeroen

Jeroen Bosch - Wednesday, February 4, 2015 4:12 PM:

Zahar,

I need again your help.

I am trying to create my package definition to export it from Innovator 10 and import it in 11.

Is there a way to populate "package groups" automatically and not manually by entering the "name", "element id" and "element type" for each configuration?

(I have tried without success to use the search capability, either simple, advanced or AML flavor).

I hope so, because the manual way of  creating the package group is error prone, imho (for example, when you create a new form or method or rename an existing object, you need to remember to update the package group.

Also, I cannot imagine to do this manually if I have a configuration with a hundred or more objects to export.

Thanks again,

Jeroen

zahar - Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:02 AM:

Jeroen,

Not really. Don't forget this is possible that Aras change something in the ItemType definition. Added or removed some attributes.

If you using other than PARTPART BOMDOCUMENTS items types like Workflow and ECO's this is something that you need to understand Aras db structure, cause change management module is more complex.

If you didn't changed the ItemTypes i don't see why you have problem to reimplement you 10 DB on 11?
The DB you trying to migrate is one single user db? or this is enterprise db?  

zahar - Wednesday, February 4, 2015 8:42 PM:

Search for item and then select Tools->Admin->Add to Package definition

Jeroen Bosch - Thursday, January 29, 2015 5:14 AM:

Thanks Zahar.

I am using Innovator for prototyping so it is not an enterprise database which would require a subscription of course.

I will try to upgrade to 11 and keep the community posted.

Jeroen

Jeroen Bosch - Thursday, February 5, 2015 1:45 AM:

Super.

I wish that I didn't have to ask this basic question in a developers forum but I have search the existing documentation and this forum first.

Looks like "Just Ask Innovator", but also the user manual which comes with the import/export tool, need to be updated for at least this package definition topic 

Thanks.

Jeroen

zahar - Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:49 AM:

Actually this is documented in 

 Package Import Export Utilities.pdf

in section (atleast in Aras 10 documentation):

3.6 Creating a Package Definition from the Aras Innovator UI

Jeroen Bosch - Thursday, February 5, 2015 2:05 PM:

You are totally right, it is there but under a section which, and this was my mistake, was devoted to the creation of a package definition and not to add items types (and other configurations objects) in the package definition.

Any way, I have managed to export my package.

My next step is to export and import the data.

Jeroen